So you mean to tell me they had the technology the whole time to make upgraded modular chips and sell them for pre-existing computer architecture but chose not to because they knew people would pay for the shiny new toys.
There’s a chip crisis and SUDDENLY!!! We’re all able to use new technologies on old computer architectures…
Call it supply and demand but I think that’s fucked up nm which way you look at it.
I read that and then immediately thought to myself, so they just chose not to release upgrades for old architectures and speed released a shit load of new hardware they knew people would pay OTA for.
This whole time they could’ve actually been making old computers better than they are and make it so the consumer didn’t have to spend a fuck load on upgrades but waited till a chip shortage to do it…
Turns out new sockets were just to rip you off.
Yeah. Cannon vs Nikon was a great example.
meanwhile, gamers nexus released a video about ddr3 systems.
considering ddr4 has triple the production volume than 3/5 right now, it feels like the safer choice.
I’m so glad I didn’t listen to people online about staying on the “dead” AM4 socket for my rig upgrade two years ago. My 5800X3D might end up being the best value purchase I’ve ever made…
You like repeating yourself or did you just forget to delete the first draft?
The only place where you’ll ever notice any difference between RAM generations is the specs sheet. And even there it’s minor.
Call it supply and demand but I think that’s fucked up nm which way you look at it.
Intel and AMD - the entire x86 duopoly - is basically there specifically to ensure consumer PCs are as shit as possible, and to do everything in their power to slow down any meaningful technological progress.
Exactly, Intel dug their heels in and gave us quad core after quad core for the best part of 10 years whilst AMD was floundering around until Ryzen Gen 1 came along. No innovation just because they didn’t have to.
Yeah but DDR4 is just as expensive these days.
Definitely has become more expensive, but I assume this is intel trying to sell units to consumers with existing systems that otherwise would not be upgrading, due to the cost of moving to a DDR5 platform.
Not really, prices for DDR4 “only” have doubled, whereas prices for DDR5 have quadrupled.
I checked recently and my particular ddr4 memory has quadrupled. I had bought an extra 16Gb just before the crisis because I hit oom with poe1 once, so I guess it was lucky timing. Haven’t checked other rams though.
These are only “new” chips in a marketing sense.
From a tech standpoint, they’re more or less the same chips that Intel was making for LGA1700 3-4 years ago refreshed with a new name and model number. They may have slight tweaks to the clocks and the core configs, but other than that there’s really nothing new about them. It’s the same silicon that Intel launched back in 2022.
The only reason Intel is doing this is because LGA1700 supports DDR4 and that’s kept the demand for it alive with how expensive DDR5 is now.
Some of those chips have new configurations and power demands. There’s now a 8+12 that is 65w, and the substitute for the 14600K is a 8+8.
I currently have a 13700K, but if one of those new CPUs have a 8+12 version that’s better than the 14700K and doesn’t turn into a literal furnace I’ll be interested in getting one.
The change in tdp doesn’t really change how the chip fundamentally acts. If you want a non furnace CPU then underclock it and power limit it. Maybe these new CPUs are 0.1% more power efficient as the manufacturing process has improved. But other than the core counts you can do the exact same thing with the existing chips.
It’s almost like planned obsolescence is a well document and viable business strategy.
Lightbulb moment
For…40 years? Demand for older consumer CPUs has dropped to zero over a few years because the new ones are demonstrably more capable and basically the same price. That’s the whole idea behind Moore’s Law. There are niche applications where that hasn’t been true that were mostly filled by recycled hardware or single board computers. But in general people want the more capable device.
There’s a whole conversation to be had about software bloat that that chain enabled but planned obsolescence it ain’t.
I think they’re talking about planned obsolescence for the mobo / socket not the CPU. Yeah most people want the latest CPU but they don’t necessarily want a mobo upgrade too, but Intel will release a new socket so that you have to get the new mobo.
If they just released an updated CPU on an old socket plenty of people would buy that but Intel chose not too to juice mobo sales.
Tube a tiny bit fair, many mobo upgrades were made because the new chips consumed much more power and new lines had to be added. That’s obviously not true for some time but up to 2000+ it was part of it all, together with dram upgrades.
Today if feels like we’ve hit an “enough” level, even my phone could probably be my daily driver, cpu power/ram wise, or close to it.
I think a really good ‘for instance’ of what we are talking about is the Pentium Overdrive released in the early-mid 90s. It was a Pentium class processor designed to fit the 486 (previous generation, also where the Pent part of Pentium came from) socket. They have never not been able to backport new instruction sets they just don’t and now we have even more evidence of that.
The old hardware still works perfectly fine though
We’re all able to use new technologies on old computer architectures…
Except we’re not? They’re still the same raptor lake CPUs. Maybe a bump in clock speed, maybe a change in core counts. But the underlying technology is still the exact same. The only new tech I’d expect on these boards is WiFi 7 instead of 6e. But most WiFi cards on desktop are M.2 and you can already swap them out.
The only mew thing is that they’re making them again, and making new versions of them. Otherwise it’s the same stuff. It’s just giving people a second chance to upgrade to this older stuff.
Lol remember when they software locked LGA1511 to prevent 8th and 9th gen CPUs from working on existing 6th/7th gen motherboards, and then the modding community bypassed it with some BIOS mods and Teflon tape.
This whole time they could’ve actually been making old computers better than they are and make it so the consumer didn’t have to spend a fuck load on upgrades but waited till a chip shortage to do it…
This isn’t anything new in the component industry. Nvidia is even more guilty of this with their RTX ray tracing scam which now looks comically small next to their subsequent AI bubble.
I’ve personally preferred AMD for this reason because they actually thought ahead of Intel on several occasions like x64, multicore processors, more efficient laptop CPU power consumption, actually funding next gen hardware specs, etc.
In my eyes, the last time Intel was even “on top” of AMD was the skylake overclock era where single thread performance was still sought after heavily.
Hilariously though my servers are all Intel xeons because of their sheer production volume making used parts much cheaper than AMD.
AI is causing human regression. That’s what this is.
Is one thing to poison the minds of idiots, but this is technological regression.
Things are getting bad.
i would say it’s causing a capitalism growth spurt which is “too fast” for the owning class to really keep up, especially with more and more working class realizing capitalism is the problem, not ai, chips, socket types…
i am hoping this growth will be what will cause its downfall.
The monopolists realized that their product is no longer unique so they have to create bottle necks in order to force out competition.
Humans are causing human regression. The tool is different, the pattern is the same.
Feel like it’s more “when designing an upgrade you do it all at once not piecemeal” so it never made sense to use old tech before because you’ll just cause a bottleneck.
Even though I still feel like using “the fastest” ram used to just end up giving you more problems and crashes…
Since I was a wee lad, when the internet was just an idea, to this day, it’s the first time that “innovation” doesn’t go “higher, further, faster!” But the opposite…
I don’t know about you, but I’ve gotten sadly accustomed to tech “innovation” being more about novel ways of squeezing money out of people way more often than “higher, further, faster” or anything that makes our lives easier, more interesting, or more enjoyable.
Hence i said “innovation”… It was rarely really an innovation. And the more recent, the more your description fits.
Sadly so, I might add.
Rolling with my 5800X3D 'till the wheels fall off and even then I have a 5700X3D as a backup. I’m not upgrading until 5090-level GPU performance is available for less than $800.
I drove my FX-8320 into the ground through college and a few years beyond. That poor little chip got tortured with so much voltage…
My 5800X3D will be in my maxed out AM4 rig for a looonnnggg time.
I’m not upgrading
I better get around to formatting my old PC and selling it. The 128gb DDR4 3600 kit in it should net me a fair bit of coin, as would the brand-new 5950x that came from a RMA. I want to pay off the debt I accumulated from building my new machine.
That would let me scrimp and save up some coin for the AI bubble popping. In the long run, I want to replace my RTX 4090 and x2 3060s with x4 RTX Pros.
Things don’t get cheaper. They might slow down how much they are increasing in price, but don’t expect equipment to somehow revert to something less than what you paid for it.
AI bubble popping would almost immediately crash the pricing. All AI earmarked hardware would be suddenly fair game, any hardware in the datacenters would be sold off, and you would see a dramatic rise in availability.
So yeah, you can absolutely see things getting cheaper.
Except most of that data center hardware is designed for only it. Think GPUs with no video output, rack mounted liquid cooling, etc. There is very little reusable.
If there’s loads of crazy GPUs sitting around for low prices i’d bet people would create adapters for home use. Even if it can only be used for AI, we’d be in the golden age of local inference.
The only things a consumer would likely want is the RAM and storage, I will agree. But the immediate drop in demand for AI hardware would pivot a good portion of production back to consumer hardware.
And that isn’t including the fact that businesses and home labbers would love to get their hands on pretty much anything they’d be casting off.
Let’s hope that wanting to further humanity will cause that bubble to burst. You know what I think though, I think they’ll milk it for all it’s worth and they’ll use every single tactic to try to make people think it’s safe when it comes to the appreciation (used in mental health terms of: Appreciation in mental health refers to the cognitive and emotional process of recognizing, valuing, and feeling thankful for the meaningful aspects, people, or experiences in one’s life) of humanity.
In reality AI has never experienced humanity only knows how to react to it and in reality AI will never be able to experience our humanity and trying to allow it to or trying to get there, is not only expensive but it’s dangerous and as smart as you have to be to get it to work, you’d also have to be the worlds biggest dumbass. If there’s a team of people out there right now trying to make it work, they’re fucking idiots because they’re using their intelligence on a gamble and smart people don’t gamble on theory, yes they test the waters on experimentation but usually for the greater good of humanity like trying to cure a virus but if the price is humanity, if the cost is our planet… It’s not intelligence, it’s haste.
