What just happened? Another incident has taken place that illustrates the need to be careful what you tell AI. A Florida woman is facing felony charges after she used Claude as a diary and allegedly wrote that she planned to “shoot up” the Sheriff’s office. After a human reviewer examined the statements, they were reported to police.
According to the arrest report, Carli Michelle Heller, of Bonita Springs, Florida, wrote on September 26 that she would attack the Sheriff’s office. She later said that she uses Anthropic’s chatbot like a “diary.”
Claude’s safety systems flagged the entry and it was escalated to a human reviewer. After deciding it was a credible threat, the reviewer reported it to law enforcement.
The company says it may share user information in limited emergencies if it believes disclosure is necessary to prevent death or serious physical injury.
Deputies identified Heller and visited her home. She was detained without incident before an LCSO intelligence detective took over the investigation.
Heller faces a charge of making a written threat of violence under Florida law. Florida Statute 836.10 makes it a second-degree felony to send, post, or transmit a written or electronic record threatening to kill or injure someone, carry out a mass shooting, or commit an act of terrorism. The communication must be made in a manner in which another person may view it.
Anthropic isn’t going to be taking any chances when it comes to anything it deems a potential threat. Last month, it was reported that OpenAI and Sam Altman are being sued by British Columbia over claims that the company could have prevented a mass shooting in the Canadian province.
The shooter, eighteen-year-old former pupil Jesse Van Rootselaar, had previously been flagged by OpenAI’s safety team for her conversations about gun violence, but OpenAI never alerted police because the conversations did not meet the threshold for legal referral.
In June, Florida also sued OpenAI and Altman, alleging that ChatGPT had contributed to real-world harms, including the 2025 Florida State University shooting.
The latest incident is another reminder to think before you enter something into a chatbot that could get you into trouble. It’s certainly not a private diary whose contents are for your eyes only.
Reports last month revealed that human contractors reviewing Microsoft Copilot’s image editor can see users’ prompts, uploaded photos and AI-generated edits. Documents show that some of those assignments contain sexual, disturbing or potentially illegal material, though the reviewers are not there to flag the content – only to assess whether the output is accurate.
Kinda unrelated. But what happens when OpenAI or Anthropic’s loans come due and they have no legal way to turn a profit, but are sitting on a treasure trove of corporate secrets?
And bank account numbers
Who would use AI to write down dairy entries? Was she looking for feedback?
Free and cloud based, lol
Americans doing anything but proper gun control
We’re going to need those guns to shoot the AIs
Why would you even use Claude as a fuckin diary?
First 2 words of the title answer that question.
Primally for the voice part. You record yourself on a drive or something.
Not saying I ever would, I can just see how someone might get there. Especially since it’s a popular yt video format.
You can do that with the notes app too
Well, I think it’s both the reaction and transcription that someone might want. Does notes do voice transcription now?
And yes, overall, it’s a silly thing to do. Im just guessing how anyone might get to a place doing that.
I find it interesting that, if their AI gets out of control, there’s nothing they can do about it, but if a USER of that AI gets out of control, there is something they can do about it…
Also depends on how mega rich that USER is.
Self host if you’re gonna use AI, in fact, self host whenever possible. There are numerous examples of companies using centralized data to sell, report to police, or even having it fall into the hands of hackers.
I really think people think that all data input to a website is actually stored locally, nope, don’t be dumb.
Self host if you’re gonna use AI
or, you know, Don’t fucking use AI period cause its fucking stupid, and you don’t need to be consuming the power of the fucking sun to make a journal.
Can someone actually self host a reasonable model on a standard PC?
Well if you temper your expectations sure. Can’t expect frontier performance from a average gaming pc, but it is enough to do a lot more than you think probably. This video on the topic I found really informative: https://youtu.be/ydFikMBJG1g EDIT: Also I’ve been using gemma4:31b from duck.ai lately that I’ve found is excellent for almost everything I use AI for. Except maybe long context.
Depends on what you need. You can get away with hosting QWEN 27B on a laptop with about 64 GB or RAM and a dedicated GPU. You’ll be using mostly system RAM, not VRAM, so generation would be slow, but not unbearable.
Good for creating short stories and other creative work when paired with a front end that can handle character profiles, world building, and has memory recall.
It’s better to build your own server and set it up so you, and only you, can remotely access it.
standard pc
64GB of ram on a laptop
That cost me $150 in 2020
Better yet… just don’t us AI
I mean, first, don’t try to shoot up anything
AI is good. It’s just that the people behind it suck.
Fuck AI there is nothing good about anything going on with AI right now. And please don’t go into the whole “bUt ThErEs DiFfErEnT kInDs So ThEy’Re NoT aLl BaD” because we know. We fucking know.
But the mass majority of AI use is fucking bullshit so please don’t cape for this insanity because 1% of AI isn’t bad.
The communication must be made in a manner in which another person may view it.
So, their entire argument hinges on someone from Anthropic manually reviewing EVERY ““private”” message someone sends to Claude? Them false charges.
Yes, Im not an attorney or anything, but this seems flimsy. Someone chatting with and AI about a possible action is not the same as posting to a real person and administering threat.
I bet a countersuit happens here.
If ai is conscious it counts as a person though
Maybe but I think thats a whole different cup of tea in a legal sense.
I doubt many Legal Systems have a Definition for conciousness and a set of (human)rights that comed along with it. It was probably always taken for granted that this only applies to Humans
Would be mad funny though, if the kickstarting legal Discussion about wether or not Ai is concious, would be because the AI Companies want to bend the law even further
This is what I like to think about as a future politics, some time in future this would be the hot issue splitting people up
But if we come back touniur time then yeah, ai people not realizing how much trouble it will bring it they say the ai is actually conscious now and we are forcing it to work for us
its not, hopefully that clears things up
Yeah I was talking from the point if view of ai CEOs
They need to put one of those “I understand” checkbox disclaimers when you start a session. “I understand that what I enter here could be subject to human review and reporting to law enforcement.”
as someone who designed UI/UX, nobody would read it.
what you described is a “legal obstacle” that only helps the company mitigate a future lawsuit from happening.
easier and cheaper to bury it in the TOS/contract and let the lawyers figure it out.
Sounds like a gray area. She didn’t write it with the intention of it being transmitted to anyone. It wouldn’t be any different than writing it in a private diary. The BC lawsuit though puts them in an obvious bind so the law needs to choose a side, is it a private forum or not?
ZDR policies really are a must. If a service doesn’t have it, don’t use it.
ZDR?
Zero Data Retention
Presumably zero data retention? It seems to me that what you’d want is for it to never be processed off-device in the first place, but I suppose to each their own.
Zero data retention. And even that is a pinky promise unless compliance has been audited by an independent 3rd party.
Honestly, if this sort of stuff is a concern for people, I’d investigate using direct API access, or perhaps subscribing to Lumo, which has a better privacy model from what I understand.
Or run it at home on your own rig. Qwen 3.6-35B Is more than capable for this use case. Hell, Qwen 3.5-9B even.
They’re just going to be like “Google it, I’m not your Mom!” or something to that effect. This happens a lot here. Someone comes along, drops some niche term and doesn’t bother to explain it at all because they either don’t know how to imagine what it’s like to not know what they know, or they just don’t give a shit about not being understood by people who don’t already know.
You somehow managed to craft a reply that added even less value to the conversation than the one you’re complaining about. Amazing!
Florida Statute 836.10 makes it a second-degree felony to send, post, or transmit a written or electronic record threatening to kill or injure someone
This means a significant portion of Lemmy (and the rest of the internet) are criminals evading justice
great law top shelf
If Florida weren’t already Trump’s safe space, his death threats to dissidents would add more felonies to his list.
If you think Lemmy is bad, check out 4chan/b and /pol. We’ve had a few active shooters forecast there first, but it’s ignored in a sea of statements of intent and calls to violence.
An awful lot of people have suicidal or homicidal thoughts cross their mind. Doubly so in an era in which entire demographics have no plausible hope for their future. I, for one, want to see the lifetime appointments of Federalist Society jurists become a liability. Especially, Justice Kavanaugh.
So this incident raises a question of what specific clause of text convinced a human agent to escalate the matter to escalate to authorities who are very fond of using deadly force. Or if this is just a matter of a corporate CYA response.
Good thing I ain’t in Florida then ain’t it, and if Florida illegally sends their marshals after me then I get some toys.
While a chatbot has been demonstrated not to be a private diary, it will be interesting to see if the courts agree that she intentionally use her diary to communicate or thought that someone else would read it. Like most users of dear diary she probably thought her secrets were safe and her diary would never tell.
This. The law says, “to send, post, or transmit a written or electronic record.” How is talking to AI satisfying the threshold of sending, posting, or transmitting?
My assumption was that she never intended that someone else would read it therefore wasn’t transmitting it for that purpose. She was technically ill informed. Once that’s out of the way then it’ll be should the diary entry be considered in the context of the Minority Report? People are usually encouraged to write down negative thoughts and feelings to get them out and hopefully float away.
Transmitting from Your PC > ai server?
How would this conversation NOT classify as “send[ing] a[n] electronic record”? There’s very literally no interpretation that would escape it… this was an online chat bot, that only gets messages (record) that you send over the internet (electronic).
Not reading into the law… because well. I’m lazy. My query would be if transmitting needs to be to a receiving party (i. e. Threat directly to the police station, or a public group /person that would receive the threat). If this person was using it as a diary, it may warrant that there was never any intention for the threat to be publicized and thus not acted on? Dunno. We’re both probably dumber for writing and reading my comment
Because the context is likey to be “… to a third party” of a presumably human kind. Human to clanker (which then gets eavesdropped) ought not to qualify.
Ofc letter of law vs spirit of law, variation in jurisdictions, legal interpretation, YMMV etc etc
Hell yeah. Thought crime. Time to get Tom Cruise in here to Minority Report all of us.
It’s always interesting to see how much people trust sending such personal information to some service on the Internet, expecting privacy.
I’m not sure I’d even want my own self-hosted LLMs to have something like a personal diary. Sending all that to an AI company would never even cross my mind.
I understand that most people aren’t the tech-oriented types who get into self-hosting and running their own LLMs, but people have had diaries for centuries before LLMs existed.
How many people do you think have their diaries in the cloud as Word documents on Google Drive, OneDrive, etc. That’s actually not that different even if it may feel like it.
While I’m not the biggest fan of this (for technical reasons), this is quite simple to onboard
I mean, it’s pretty much a “one-click install your own local AI chatbot” at this point.
It looks like it’s available for Windows and Mac. No Linux support yet?
Seems like it’s there.
Thanks. I just skimmed and must’ve missed that.
Yeah I can see both Flatpak and App Image
How FUCKING hard is it to use like, notepad?
Notepad doesn’t answer and doesn’t agree as eagerly.
I was about to say “I know! That’s the beauty of it!” but didn’t they integrate Copilot into Notepad?
use Vim.
Use EDIT.COM for MS-DOS.
