If it is good and open, engineering is engineering. Good engineering came out of Meta before, that all of us use daily, like the zstd compression algorithm.
Save the moral outrage for all the other shady shit Meta imposes on humanity, god knows there is a intercontinental cargo ship load of it to choose from.
If you do not want to support Meta, cancel your WhatsApp, Instagram and Facebook accounts. Stop being their product.
Participation in free/open source software is something that is encouraged from all, even if they are shady corporations like Meta, Google, Nvidia or Microsoft.
And that’s not even mentioning things that aren’t just their tech, like open compute and funding foss and the Linux foundations, crap ton of open source projects, testing, bug fixes, and miscellaneous contributions… Let alone all the tech that tries to compete with their tech; all the alternatives to react et al that are ‘next gen’
Like it or not, the facebooks and googles of the world have contributed significantly to things you probably interact with every day.
As to the Linux kernel at this point everyone has contributed something. That would be like being mad at air for having been processed by Zuckerbergs human form cooling unit.
Oh, but you do use them! Because the services you interact with use them. Even the ones that don’t, frequently use alternatives that have been influenced by their existence.
This might be a surprise to you, my liege; but the world does not, in fact, revolve around you and your preferences. Shockingly, the world seems to exist wholly independent of your uninformed and shortsighted opinions.
This is like being mad that acetylene welding exists, and saying that it’s pointless because you’ve never personally used it. Obviously if it was good or important, you would have used that technology directly yourself, riiiight? So the world and history would obviously be no different if it had never existed.
Now you’re just not arguing in good faith here. You asked for contributions, there they are. I use Btrfs and it’s great. (There’s lots of actually valid reasons to hate meta, let’s focus on those)
I suspect, without evidence, that you’d probably find some Meta engineers contributing to the Linux kernel to some degree, so you may have to rip that out of your system.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Facebook_software is comprehensive as far as I know. Even if you don’t use React, a lot of developers use it and control the web. So you might wander around the web that is written with React. But its no longer part of Facebook / Meta, so I don’t know if it still counts.
I know the company. But what is the fear about CRAM? What do you think Facebook / Meta will do to harm you, if you use CRAM? I ask this question honestly, as someone who hates Facebook and does not use any of their services, and never visit their pages. But I use ZStandard developed by Facebook. And I do not see any problem in doing so.
If you can audit the code and it’s clean and you built it yourself then probably nothing would happen. I don’t trust them not to add something to access the memory though and don’t have the time to audit code. Theyre not trustworthy enough to give the benefit of the doubt.
I do not install anything from Facebook. Now talking about ZStandard as en example: Those libraries are part of the tools I use, such as the file compression tools. And even MAME emulator supports this and other applications, to have some fast decompression without long wait times. I even use it for my backups. I don’t know how Facebook could do something in such cases. And for CRAM, this would be integrated into the Kernel with same standards as Linux.
I would understand the concerns if we speak about downloading and installing from Facebook directly. But that is not the case here.
Meta has funded all sorts of open source infrastructure, for a long time. If you want to avoid their funded contributions… TBH, I wouldn’t even know where to begin.
Nope, never going to use this now. I don’t trust Meta to walk a dog, certainly not with a core os component.
If it is good and open, engineering is engineering. Good engineering came out of Meta before, that all of us use daily, like the zstd compression algorithm.
Save the moral outrage for all the other shady shit Meta imposes on humanity, god knows there is a intercontinental cargo ship load of it to choose from.
If you genuinely realise (and care) that meta is shady, there is no merit in supporting the company.
Moral outrage is something that people with decent morality have. Apathy is something that zombies have.
If you do not want to support Meta, cancel your WhatsApp, Instagram and Facebook accounts. Stop being their product.
Participation in free/open source software is something that is encouraged from all, even if they are shady corporations like Meta, Google, Nvidia or Microsoft.
I got bad news for you if you use the modern web
Name a few things, I’m curious.
Ever heard of a tiny little thing called React? GraphQL and relay? Presto? Folly? Zstd? Hack? RocksDB? Btrfs?
PyTorch is crazy big in ML/AI and has been for a while now.
And specifically in Linux: https://engineering.fb.com/2015/10/05/open-source/improving-the-linux-kernel-with-upstream-contributions/
And that’s not even mentioning things that aren’t just their tech, like open compute and funding foss and the Linux foundations, crap ton of open source projects, testing, bug fixes, and miscellaneous contributions… Let alone all the tech that tries to compete with their tech; all the alternatives to react et al that are ‘next gen’
Like it or not, the facebooks and googles of the world have contributed significantly to things you probably interact with every day.
Heard of btrfs, don’t use it. Nor the rest.
0 out of 10.
As to the Linux kernel at this point everyone has contributed something. That would be like being mad at air for having been processed by Zuckerbergs human form cooling unit.
Oh, but you do use them! Because the services you interact with use them. Even the ones that don’t, frequently use alternatives that have been influenced by their existence.
This might be a surprise to you, my liege; but the world does not, in fact, revolve around you and your preferences. Shockingly, the world seems to exist wholly independent of your uninformed and shortsighted opinions.
This is like being mad that acetylene welding exists, and saying that it’s pointless because you’ve never personally used it. Obviously if it was good or important, you would have used that technology directly yourself, riiiight? So the world and history would obviously be no different if it had never existed.
0 out of 10.
Now you’re just not arguing in good faith here. You asked for contributions, there they are. I use Btrfs and it’s great. (There’s lots of actually valid reasons to hate meta, let’s focus on those)
The criteria was “that all of us use daily” not “that you’ve heard of”. Scroll up, it’s right there.
You use btrfs, I don’t, therefore the “all of us use” qualification fails, let alone “daily”.
Zstd / ZStandard is pretty good.
A few notable ones?
https://engineering.fb.com/2018/10/30/open-source/linux/
Btrfs
https://itsfoss.com/news/react-foundation-launch/
React
https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/09/meta-spins-off-pytorch-foundation-to-make-ai-framework-vendor-neutral/
PyTorch (if you’re into the AI thing)
I suspect, without evidence, that you’d probably find some Meta engineers contributing to the Linux kernel to some degree, so you may have to rip that out of your system.
0 for 3, is that it?
I don’t get this comment. You asked for examples, and they gave you.
I asked for examples that I use. I haven’t seen one yet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Facebook_software is comprehensive as far as I know. Even if you don’t use React, a lot of developers use it and control the web. So you might wander around the web that is written with React. But its no longer part of Facebook / Meta, so I don’t know if it still counts.
Impressive, building your own kernel without Btrfs. I admit, you’re better than me.
CONFIG_BTRFS_FS=nWow that was almost too difficult. 🙄
searches
They have a list.
https://opensource.fb.com/projects/
But why not? What is the fear here? It’s not like Meta has any control if you install or enable the feature.
Do you not know what that company does?
I know the company. But what is the fear about CRAM? What do you think Facebook / Meta will do to harm you, if you use CRAM? I ask this question honestly, as someone who hates Facebook and does not use any of their services, and never visit their pages. But I use ZStandard developed by Facebook. And I do not see any problem in doing so.
If you can audit the code and it’s clean and you built it yourself then probably nothing would happen. I don’t trust them not to add something to access the memory though and don’t have the time to audit code. Theyre not trustworthy enough to give the benefit of the doubt.
I do not install anything from Facebook. Now talking about ZStandard as en example: Those libraries are part of the tools I use, such as the file compression tools. And even MAME emulator supports this and other applications, to have some fast decompression without long wait times. I even use it for my backups. I don’t know how Facebook could do something in such cases. And for CRAM, this would be integrated into the Kernel with same standards as Linux.
I would understand the concerns if we speak about downloading and installing from Facebook directly. But that is not the case here.
Meta has funded all sorts of open source infrastructure, for a long time. If you want to avoid their funded contributions… TBH, I wouldn’t even know where to begin.