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RyanL Bitwarden Employee
Hello everyone!
Starting in the next release, the Bitwarden apps published to the various stores will be the commercially licensed builds. No action is needed, and the apps will work exactly as they do today.
Bitwarden remains committed to open source security and transparency The GPLv3 OSS licensed version continues to be updated and published on GitHub All current features are available in both versions License details are on GitHub Bitwarden remains committed to a robust, free forever plan for everyoneIf you have any questions, please ask them in this thread. Thanks all!
EDIT:
Bitwarden is not going closed-source You can still fork Bitwarden No change to self-hosting, the licensing change affects those who are repackaging and reselling Bitwarden The free plan is here to stay permanently
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That was written in the sky…
Open-Source is literally used as marketing tool for the under dogs until they reach a critical mass of users.
People were fighting on social media, defending the product, suggesting it, “it’s open source”, people were doing the marketing for them.
No wonder why people feel like they got raped, after all the hard work they have done for them…
But at least they didn’t contribute code, did you? Not me, because I am old enough to never use such products, it’s a classic rug pull, bait and switch.
Open source doesn’t mean it’s good, it must be hold by a bunch of strangers in T-shirt, not in full suite…
Corpo in disguise…
I am self hosting Vault warden on freeshard.net and using the Firefox Plugin and Android App. How does that affect me?
Rest in Peace :(
Goddamnit, enshittification comes for ALL paid services eventually. Looks like I have another service to start self hosting…
Bitwarden’s front-end (Apps, Extensions) must be hard forked before it is too late.
Interesting thread I stumbled upon from a few years ago where everyone is praising Bitwarden as essential. Times sure do change.
Does this mean I will, or won’t be able to install the FOSS version through GitHub? Trying to stop repackagers from selling your project is one thing, but killing the source available installs would be another.
“bitwarden apps will be the commercially licensed builds.” I don’t understand how this is going to change anything.
I self-host vaultwarden. I use the official Bitwarden app, it works swimmingly. Going the self-hosted route you get enterprise features (I don’t use em).
Doesn’t the licensing stuff connect with the backend not the app?
The commercial licensing is on the clients. You must switch to the Github versions immediately or proprietary code will be installed.
It just blows my mind how so many comments use the term ‘purchase’ as if this new enshitification step still allowed for the dictionary meaning of the word.
I used to suggest bitwarden to everyone, now it’s basically ‘start using KeePass, keep a copy of your db in a USB drive in your safe, have fun’.
The fact that bitwarden raised 100 millions from venture capitalists for “acceleration” and small changes towards a closed license for premium features is a steady step towards enshittification.
The writing is on the wall and every announcement like that is a step further into enshittification to provide value for shareholders at the expense of thrle consumer base.
I still haven’t switched yet because life is going fast and I didn’t come around to do my backup file server yet, but I would suggest anyone reading this to look for an alternative because it will get worst.
Yep, have been using KeyPass or KeyPassX for at least a decade now and just syncing across all machines (via syncthing). 100% reliable in my experience.
Pretty much seen it coming when the new CEO came in and removed the words “Transparency” and “Always Free” from the official marketing.
Whether you believe it or not is another matter, but this very post still includes the words “transparency” and “always free”.
Bitwarden remains committed to open source security and transparency
Bitwarden remains committed to a robust, free forever plan for everyone
and a bonus:
The free plan is here to stay permanently
You can already see them positioning themselves to start removing features with the phrase “free plan.”
Nothing stopping them from limiting the number of passwords available in “the free plan” or something, pressuring users into “the pay plan.”
But I’m pretty cynical.
Aslong as it stays source available at a bare minimum for the paid offering/options I think I can live with that.
Anyone got some better alternatives for people to try out?
I never understood the 9000iq move to give all your credentials to someone else…
That’s why I use “pass” as
password-store.pass https://www.passwordstore.org/ keepass https://keepass.info/
Never made any sense to me why so many people ran away from these two open source options towards Bitwarden.
Bitwarden has much better enterprise options. KeePass is kind of dinky by comparison; even for a single user you immediately run into the problem “how do I sync my new password to my phone automatically?” Bitwarden was just an app that worked.
That being said ~ I see the writing on the wall, and will be going back to the dinky option. Again. This isn’t the first time I’ve been burnt, but I never seem to learn. Self-hosting seems to be the only sustainable long-term option after all. Hopefully the migration isn’t too painful.
I highly recommend anyone reading this get your export out while they still have a good export tool. First thing companies do in enshitification 101 is make it difficult to leave and trap you via inconvenience.
So, will you still be able to use the builds with the free license? Does that mean that the App Store builds will be locked down?
Well, i was planning to move from my 1password to bitwarden. No need for that now.
If you are on Lemmy, theres very high probability that you also have the technical abilities required to self host Vaultwarden and stop relying on a greedy company for your most critical aspect.
I could but I don’t want. Self hosting something this important? I can’t login to any website without this software, including my email. It’s super critical.
The vault gets synced to your devices. So even if your Backend goes down you dont lose access to your passwords in an instant
So you have basically a local copy on your phone, for example, that syncs when possible?
yes, exactly. This gives you at least some time that you have to figure out what went wrong with your vaultwarden server/connection
yeah, until the client logs you out randomly. it has an increased chance when the server behaves funky.
Yeah vaultwarden and photos are the 2 things i’m too nervous to selfhost. I do selfhost basically everything else but these 2 things are too important for me to mess up that I just don’t…
3-2-1 backups guys
Then again, if you can do that, why not just use pass
There seems to be only one Android client, and it’s been archived on Github. I kinda need an android client for a password manager to be usable.
Are the clients usable or is the user experience more like KeePass (i.e. bad)?
I have Vaultwarden, it works with the web app and browser extensions. But is there a vaultwarden specific android app? I know technically I can use the Bitwarden app. But sometimes they update the Bitwarden app too fast for all the changes to translate into Vaultwarden and then im kinda forced to use the web app.
The web app is just a minor inconvenience to me so I continue to use it. Just wondering if there is an easier Vaultwarden specific solution for android.
Yeah, keyguard is pretty good
Then we will shit … the enshitification exodus goes on
Yes because using a different then normies app also means technical skills. In fact, haven’t your PhD diploma came along when you signed up for your Lemmy account?
Fantastic. I’m tired of having to change password managers. DashLane, Keepass, LastPass, etc., they all end up shooting their own foot somehow.
Keepass is open and has many implementations. It’s the only remaining cross-platform and fully local password manager, even supporting passkeys.
What happened to keepass?
It has become Keep Ass.
Cool quip, doesn’t answer the question
I really don’t want to have to switch password managers again.
same, ugh… oh well
Why would you need to switch? Are you repackaging Bitwarden?
Because the new CEO seems to really be wanting to find revenue and this step just reaffirms in my mind that he’s likely going to start reducing features for unpaid accounts.
Don’t even know where i’d switch.
Proton -> I already use Proton suite and I like the seperation, the 2 password option doesn’t work for me either. I just need a seperate password.
Keepass -> I use quite a few devices and the sync just seems like a nightmare…
Any other options? For now i’ll stick as BW is still great but will start exploring others.
Keepass X Syncthing
syncthing runs on everything and is easy to configure.
Maybe it’s changed in the year since I tried but I absolutely could not get syncthings to work on android
But thousands of people have it working just fine. Not calling you out but it does work very well. Did you follow a step by step guide? I know websearch makes it hard to learn new tech things these days.
Just keep in mind, set up a default folder and file (filename.kdbx) to share on one device, add Remote Device (QR code helps there), go to Sharing Tab and select Default Folder. If the Default Folder isn’t ticked on both devices in the Sharing Tab on each, nothing happens. When you work it out, that folder can be called anything and you can get advanced with how or when it shares or which direction the data goes (think photo backup from mobile to desktop).
New Android app to use is:
https://github.com/chenxiaolong/BasicSync
Use Obtainium- https://github.com/ImranR98/Obtainium - to install it and keep it updated. Obtainium can update itself the same way.
Convoluted, I know, but so is relying on a company to host for you in the cloud. They just hide all the complexity behind the interface. With Syncthing, once it’s set up between all your devices (and there is a way to quickly auto accept setup once further advanced/knowledgeable), it just chugs along in the background. Changes to keepass file appear almost instantly across each device once it’s opened.
I’m probably going to try it again in the near future and hopefully it’s better than it was. Saving your comment, thank you.
Oh, I hope not. It’s not really that clear. I’ve been on it for a long, long time so would have got through that stage you tested with no issues. Having Basicsync now is nice, it’s just the webui on your phone with some quality of life improvements like when it turns on etc. Very simple and familiar across multiple devices.
Try comparing what I said with the official guide from “Configuring” downwards. Hits more than what I tried to communicate and has screenshots if you get lost.
https://docs.syncthing.net/intro/getting-started.html
When I first started with it, I just set it up on my phone with the Default Folder (and file inside) at /sync and then walked around to the other devices, open up Show ID on the new one I’m at, add remote from my phone and QR scan the new device. You then get a notification to accept the device, then make sure Default Folder in Sharing is ticked for both. You can just find devices on the network too.
The more devices, the greater redundancy on the keepass file if you lose a device or it fails. Sometimes there are conflicts with files that haven’t been synced properly (none of my family’s iOS devices sync always on in the background and I don’t use iOS so it’s not my problem and hasn’t been troubleshot) but you can merge conflicts in Syncthing in Keepass by merging both files together. Set up Simple File Versioning and 5-10 copies when you are confident with it. If you have a device that’s always on like a server, it tends to be the arbiter of truth and catches sync issues. Android/Linux/Windows just work for me.
Good luck.
That’s not an option for iOS users.
You could use Synctrain or maybe Möbius Sync to SyncThing-sync a folder with your phone, then use Strongbox or KeePassium or any other KeePass-compatible app to work with the file?
This, or Vaultwarden, but a lot of people swear by Keepass.
I’ve been using Dashlane for years and love it
If you have a Nextcloud server, you should try Passman.
I use UNIX pass utility, it’s very minimal and works for me
Just rip the bandaid off.
And go to what? What works as well / seamlessly as Bitwarden?
Proton pass works just as well if not better for me. The autofill is much more reliable on Android than bitwarden was, although I did switch about a year ago.
Keepass.
