• ArbitraryValue@sh.itjust.works
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    23 hours ago

    Speed doesn’t matter as much if you’re going to be parked for half the day or overnight.

    The apartment complex and workplace chargers I’ve seen all limit how long you’re allowed to leave your car parked at them. I suppose speed doesn’t matter in the sense that having to move your car 20 minutes later isn’t much less annoying than having to move it 4 hours later. Still, I wouldn’t want an EV without my own garage even if I never went on road trips. It seems like a pain.

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      23 hours ago

      Considering how inexpensive it is to put in a 30A, 50A, or 60A circuit, and how modern L2 chargers can both downrate dynamically and be activated with simple apps or cards, this is not a difficult problem to solve.

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        17 hours ago

        Considering how inexpensive it is to put in a 30A, 50A, or 60A circuit

        I have a 50A circuit that i just installed. And previously installed a 30A circuit at my last house. It’s not inexpensive. A 50A breaker and 30 feet of 6/2 Romex with ground costs $240. Then add in a 40A capable Grizzl-E Classic for another $299 and you’re on your way to $600.

        If you’re like me, you also buy conduit for the wiring in the garage to keep it dry/protected and a receptacle rather than hardwiring to allow for a little more flexibility.

        Easy, yes. Cheap, no.

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          17 hours ago

          Only $600??? That’s cheap as hell! I thought you were going to say $2k at the absolute lowest

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            7 hours ago

            You do not want 50A 240V circuit built cheap, because of the circuits arcs, the house will burn down. The proper way to do it is a pony box for the charger circuit only, and special plug hardware designed for 100% duty cycles, not clothes dryers. States haven’t even updated codes for EV charge circuits.

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            15 hours ago

            Great which contractor offers those terms?

            I have a 50a charger installed but holy hell this comment is silly.

            You still have to pay up front for the charger+wiring. That can be a deal breaker for many, and the point is apartments are much harder as most don’t offer any electricity for even l1 charging

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                6 hours ago

                Yeah, that’d be nice if people could take on debt and adjust cash flows like a business, but a lot of people don’t have the financial flexibility to spend $600 in a lump payment. That’s why people keep bringing up 60+ percent of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. I’m fortunate enough to be able to make those types of purchases a couple times a year, but I know my privilege is not the norm.

                The best someone may be able to do is 12mo financing on a new credit card with 0% apr, but miss a payment and its 25% interest. If they even get approved.

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                6 hours ago

                Again most people can’t afford the up front cost.

                Its expensive to be poor, and most people are poor

                They are already in debt paying huge amount of interest monthly.

                I like being able to charge at home and it’s a luxury I know not everyone gets.

                For the numbers:

                Paying off a $600 charge at $10/month like you suggested would take almost 13 years and cost over $900 in interest at a 18% apr

                So you are spending almost 50% more on interest than the original charge. So 150% more expensive at 1500 vs 600.

                For a 5 year payoff you have to spend just over $15/month but still are paying over $300 in interest. That’s now over $900 total or 50% more expensive because you can’t afford the up front cost.

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                  4 hours ago

                  Apartments would pay for it, not individuals. Having EV chargers would be a selling point, allowing higher rent.

                  Poor people are generally not driving EVs yet.

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                    51 minutes ago

                    That’s the thing, they should be. They are much cheaper especially taking into account less maintenance.

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        23 hours ago

        Then you have where my apt had another company put in and manage the charges but they charge 15 cents more a kw then the fast charger around the corner.

        I don’t mind sitting every so often in the morning drinking some tea while charging but it would be nice if it’s faster

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      23 hours ago

      That’s a matter of location I guess. Here you sometimes have to pay a small extra fee to keep it there the whole day. But that may be also because there are plenty of public chargers around